In the first interview, Jeff Salzman invited Dr. Tom Habib to talk about his findings of the stage development which intimate couples can go through together. It was first published for Valentine’s day 2018.

The content of this conversation has been widely presented already on this website (see homepage). There are some new aspects due to the profound knowledge of Integral Theory and Spiral Dynamics of the interviewer, who with his Daily Evolver is a leading voice in applying the theory to real life.